You are about
to open a brewery in Lincoln, can you explain how you got to this point?
Wow, sometimes in the middle of the frenzy, you forget to take
time and look back to appreciate how far you’ve come. Right now there are three of us involved with
Zipline Brewing Co., but a few years ago it was just an idea in James’
head. James is a super passionate
brewer, one of those guys who digests as much geeky information about brewing
as he can and puts it into action. James
started planning for this several years ago.
He began taking Siebel Institute courses to educate himself on how best
to setup the brewery, and then built a kick ass brewery/lab area in his
basement to give us a controlled environment for test batches.
Last spring, the three of us (James, Tom, and I), happened to be
playing softball together on a team dominated by home brewers. Last September, a mutual friend who knew
James had went “off the deep end” with the brewery idea arranged a patio beer
meeting for us. I walked away thinking
the idea sounded interesting, but a little crazy and a lot risky. James and Tom continued the brewery talk for
nearly 3 more hours on James’ patio after I left. James kept after Tom last fall, and
eventually convinced him to attend a Siebel conference in Chicago geared toward
starting up a craft brewery. Tom told me
he was going for the sole purpose to convince himself this was a terrible
idea. And, of course, they both returned
from Chicago drunker than ever on new brewery Kool-aid. Tom went all-in with James, and they set out
to find a guy on the ground to put their crazy plan into action.
That’s how I got involved.
I had more or less forgotten about our initial meeting, and was just
preparing for the winter doldrums last November. Tom called and told me they were definitely pursuing
the brewery, that they needed someone to get it going, and I was that guy. I was floored. I went and told my wife about it, and then
ducked. But, once she learned about the
plan, she actually thought I should take the leap … even though we just figured out we were going
to have a baby in June 2012 (yes, next month!).
After meeting several times, I learned these guys had done some serious
in-depth planning. But what really sold
me was that Tom and James were so passionate about craft beer, they were
willing to go to great lengths to ensure we produced some really high quality
brew. Like a bad addiction, I couldn’t
shake the idea—I too had become drunk on the new brewery Kool-aid. I left my job in January of this year and
really haven’t had the chance to look back.
It’s been a crazy, but awesome, ride.
Do you have a
target opening date?
We would definitely love to be brewing beer by August. But, it’s a moving target for sure. I spend my days trying to orchestrate
schedules to ensure we can hit that target.
We have a thousand balls in the air and each one has a specific lead
time that has to harmonize with our opening date. There will be some bumps this summer, but I
sense more than ever it’s starting to come together.
Where does the
brewery name "Zipline" come from?
Remember how I told you that James has been working on this
project for several years? Well, James
loves to travel and he’s a very active guy.
I’m actually not sure whether he even sleeps. About four years ago, he also picked up a ziplining
bug and decided, in James-fashion, to take it to the next level and build one
in his backyard. A lesson for you at
home: don’t let your son be the guinea pig on your backyard adrenaline
project. Because James’ son, Charlie,
took the first incredible ride down the zipline—and then rode straight to the
hospital with a dislocated elbow and a wrist fracture. Based on this experience, in the spring of
2009, James and some friends were on a trip to Kansas City to see the band The
Killers, and a friend suggested the Zipline name while discussion beer and
possible breweries.
When we started talking about brewery names, the concept hit home
for me as I remembered when I was a kid and we strung a zipline cable over a
spring fed lake high in the hills of northern Nebraska. We’d ride that cable down from a cliff and
plunge in the crystal clear lake 15 feet below.
It was a bit gnarly at times, especially when the rusty line left you
hanging over the shallow water full of sticks, but always a crazy rush.
This all tied into another big part of our mission, which is to
bring together people and ideas in our community that might not otherwise
connect. We hope our beers will be a
catalyst to start conversations and facilitate discussions that inspire people
to try new things. The whole Zipline
concept seemed like a great metaphor for that effort.
And that’s how we ended up with Zipline Brewing Co. It’s about taking that plunge, that risk,
that crazy rush of adrenaline and putting it into action. We want to reach out to people like
us, the ones who are out there hiking, biking, hunting, climbing, running,
skiing, and traveling around the world.
There’s adventure all around us, and we wanted to find the doers in
Nebraska and reward them with some more tasty local brew.
Where will the
brewery be located, and how did you choose the location?
The exact address for the brewery is 2100 Magnum Circle in
Lincoln, Nebraska. Nobody knows where
that is, but it’s just a short drive down west O Street from downtown
Lincoln. Right before you get to the
Highway 77 overpass over west O Street, turn south on South Coddington
Road. That comes to a dead end after
about 2 blocks at the rail yard — Magnum Circle is the only road you can turn
on. This is as industrial as you can get
in Lincoln. We wanted a place where we
could make beer in peace, so to speak.
We also wanted a warehouse that we could grow into, if we could be so
lucky. There’s a big parking lot out
front that will be great for events, and even though it’s an industrial area, we
have big plans for a tap room which is already in progress. It’ll be a cool place to hang out, and we’d
like to make it a home where our patrons can put up pictures of their crazy
adventures and projects to talk about over brews. Pictures of crazy adventures while enjoying
Zipline brews and gear earn bonus points.
What are your
plans for packaging?
Initially, we are just going to offer beer on draft. We don’t have a set point at which we want to
start bottling, but it will probably be within months, not years, from our
start. We are hoping that some early signs
from draft sales will let us know what you all want to see on the shelves in
bottles. I love draft beer, but you
can’t always be expected to get to a bar or restaurant to try our beer. So we really want to deliver a portable
package, but we want to do it right.
Tell us about
your brewhouse, and feel free to be geeky.
We have an amazing brewhouse being manufactured as we speak. JVNW (JV Northwest) is a company out of
Portland, Oregon renowned for making high quality brewing equipment for the craft
beer industry for decades. Also, having
an American made brewery was important to us, because not all stainless steel
is created equally, and this outfit really knows their stainless.
The brewhouse is a two-vessel system with a 20 barrel (bbl) mash
tun and kettle. It’s pretty simple
because in the world of highly modified malts, more functionality just adds
more cost that’s really hard on a startup operation. You will learn as you get to know me that I’m
not a very traditional brewer. I appreciate
old-world tactics, but I’m not the guy who’s going to go out of my way to fire
up a double decoction brew. I have mad
respect for those brewers, but it’s not me.
Beyond the brewhouse, we have two 20 bbl and two 40 bbl fermentation
tanks, and two 40 bbl conditioning tanks.
All that stainless is going to look pretty amazing on top of some new
tile floors, so we’re definitely excited to see it all come together this
summer.
What have you
found to be the most challenging part of opening a brewery?
I would have to say it’s the constant oversight of scheduling to keep
all the parts moving in harmony toward our goal. I would love to brew beer every day, work on
spreadsheets to graph out fermentation performance, and focus on all the geeky
beer stuff that drew me into this
trade. But, building a brewery the right
way to stand the test of time means I spend most of my days becoming an expert
on random topics. For example, what’s
the best trench drain material for a brewing operation? I seriously spent hours buried in trench
drain spec sheets.
Have you run
into any brewers from the other in town brewing operations? What has the
response been like from them?
We’ve received some really incredible support and advice from the
brewers in town, and across Nebraska quite frankly. We haven’t talked to anyone who hasn’t
extended a helping hand to us. When one
brewery told us they would “look out for one of their own,” I felt a real sense
of family in the Nebraska brewing community, and am very grateful to have such
a wealth of experience to draw on as we go through what will inevitable be some
difficult startup times. It’s a unique
industry for sure.
Do you already
have an idea about what beers you will offer? Can you give us any hints?
We are working hard to perfect the American light lager … okay,
I’m full of @!#$. We are pretty close to
nailing down our initial lineup. I’d
like to see at least 3-4 beers made in 2012, and then to keep more coming in
2013. Given our startup target in late
summer/early fall, I definitely want to get a beer that tugs at your seasonal
instincts. A coppery, malty brew with
some balanced hops. I’m also dangerously
drawn to Belgian varieties, so it’ll be hard to resist that temptation. Down deep, I’m a hophead that can’t resist a
citrusy-smooth IPA. If you read our
blog, you’ll see we’ve run into supply issues with certain hop varieties, and the
IPA design veered off the road for a bit.
We thought about parking it, but I still haven’t given up hope! Closer to winter, I’ll be looking toward a
brew to warm up to after dusting off the snowflakes. An overarching goal we have is to keep you
upright as much as we can so you can still get out and be adventurous and not
have to give up fresh, local beer. We
won’t focus on any high gravity brews early on, but you can also be assured
that we won’t be giving you any beer below 4% ABV either.
Where do you
vision the brewery being in 10 years?
When James and Tom started the plan to build a brewery, they
really wanted to do this right for long term growth. To us, it’s about creating a lasting business
that’s as important to the community as the community is to us. Nobody (hopefully) gets into the brewing
business to get rich, so becoming an ingrained part of Lincoln and the rest of
the state would be a deeply meaningful outcome for us. From our floor to our brewing equipment,
we’ve spent a painstaking amount of time to ensure that our materials and
equipment will stand up to at least
10 years of abuse. I look at the brewery
patrons and employees as becoming a big family with long lasting ties.
It's Iron Chef
Brewer Edition, your mystery ingredients include pecans, carrots, figs &
white pepper. What are you brewing?
Each one of these ingredients is tempting in its own right. I love to cook, and my favorite part of
brewing is dreaming up new combinations of ingredients. A lot of formulas and guidelines can get in
the way of the art of brewing, which is really just an extension of the art of
cooking. Even though I’ve wanted to make
a fig wine for some time and a fig beer could be interesting, I think the sexiest
combo to me is the pecans and carrots. I
threw together a Thai pizza a few years ago where I caramelized some shredded
carrots, roasted pecan pieces, and incorporated ginger and some other spices. While I was brewing with Rahr & Sons in
Texas, I tried an amazing pecan porter by 512 Brewing made with fresh roasted local
pecans. To explore new territory I’d
throw the roasted pecans on an amber-copper ale base, with some caramelized
carrots adding some subtle sweetness to the balance. Sure, you could invite the figs to the party,
but I’d like to keep it simple and isolate the carrots and pecans to see how
they mingle with your taste buds.
Where can we go
online to learn more, and to keep up with the brewery?
We
want to create a window into our startup operation. We have pictures of construction, blog
entries about the startup process, and lots of other news streaming
online. Our website is www.ziplinebrewing.com, we’re on Facebook at Facebook.com/ZiplineBrewing, and they
even convinced me to setup a Twitter account at Twitter.com/#!/ZiplineBrewing. I told myself once I’d never have a Twitter
account, and I feel guilty to admit I’ve really enjoyed all the Twitter feeds
from the craft beer industry. It’s
really interesting to follow all your local breweries, as well as catch the
thoughts of brewing icons like Charlie Papazian, the Alstrom Bros from Beer Advocate,
and of course the Nebraska Beer Blog!
4 comments:
Excellent interview! Can't wait to try your beers!
Too bad South Park declared Zip Lines stupid and boring. Well, long story short, I hope your beer is good.
Too bad south park is stupid and boring. Oh well, can't wait to try the beer.
Update the link to zipline's website, as there is no "e" in the HTML and links to a non existing page. Gotta add the e.
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