Tuesday, June 16, 2009

Lazlo's on the Lawn (Thu, Jun 25)

Chris Vejnovich and Brian Hoesing's winning Beer Quest beer will be on tap at this event. Their beer is styled as a hoppy brown ale, and listed as an "Imperial American Brown" on the Beer Quest "hall of fame."

The event is at the Omaha Lazlo's located at 192nd & Center (2425 S 192nd Ave). Bring a blanket or chairs.

I was informed it will be a 'pin' of beer. Since the term was new to me, I looked it up. From what research I did, a 'pin' is an 1/8th of a barrel of beer (barrel: 31 U.S. gallons or 36 Imperial gallons). So, since it will only be 3.875 U.S. gallons, it will go fast. I'm leaving myself open to correction on this...as I am sure someone will have more, or better, information on the subject of beer measurements.


Anonymous said...

It will be served with a beer engine starting around 4 pm.

nickspies said...

Good to know, thanks. Was this comment left by a Lazlo/Empyrean person?

CJ said...


According to Ray Daniels a Pin is 4.5 UK gallons which is equivalent to 5.4 US gallons. This information comes from Ray's book on cask ales called "The Perfect Pint" and can be found in Appendix B - Table of Measures.

I will see if I can find out more about when serving will commence.

nickspies said...

Well, that seems right from a U.K. perspective: 36 imperial gallons in a barrel, 1/8 of that would be 4.5 imperial gallons. However, the math on the U.S. measurement does not add up: 31 U.S. gallons in a barrel, which 1/8 of that would be 3.875 U.S. gallons.

I am wondering if a 'pin' in the U.S. is a different measurement altogether, and not 1/8 of a barrel.

CJ said...

The reason things are not adding up for you is because a UK gallon measures 4.546 liters, while a US gallon measures 3.785 liters.

This is the reason that the whole entire world should just adopt the metric system. It would solve a lot of confusion if Lazlos was able to advertise that they would have 20.441 Liters (20 Liters for short) of beer on cask.

But we are still hanging on to the old system even though many manufactures and all of healthcare industries use the metric system..but that is a whole different debate.

Another way to look at it is that 16oz (US) is the equivalent to 0.473 Liters. So there is 42.28 16oz (US) pints to a British Pin (20.441 Liters). Or about 40 pints if you figure in some waste.

Man, that was too much math. I need to go and get a beer now ;)

nickspies said...

On another note…

It seems there are conflicting views on the size of a “barrel of beer.” Some state it is 31.5 gallons, however in the book A Measure of All Things, by Ian Whitelaw (2007), it states on page 60:

In the U.K., a standard beer barrel is 36 U.K. gallons (164 liters), while in the U.S., a standard barrel for liquids is 31 ½ U.S. gallons (119 liters), or half a “hogshead.” However, a standard beer barrel is 31 U.S. gallons (117 liters) and a standard dry barrel is equivalent to 105 dry quarts (115 liters).

Maybe there is the reason for the confusion. A barrel of liquid in the U.S. is 31.5 gallons, but a barrel of beer is 31 gallons.

Now if I “pin of beer” is ⅛ of a barrel, regardless of the country, then it should 3.875 gallons in the U.S.

nickspies said...

The more research I do, the more it looks like the 'pin' measurement is only used in the U.K and Australia.

So, I am guessing Lazlo's will not have a "pin of beer", since that is a U.K. and Australia measurement.

CJ said...


So I see what you are basing your calculations on here, but you are missing one very important detail. A "Pin" is not a US keg. It is an English or UK Cask so it is measured in UK Gallons. So, since a Pin is 1/8 of a 36 gallon UK Barrel, it is 4.5 UK Gallons. Then 4.5 UK gallons = 5.4 US gallons (UK galon=4.546L and US gallon = 3.785L).

There is no such thing as a US Pin. You are right if you took a US barrel (31 gallons) and multiplied it by 1/8 (divided by 8) it would = 3.875 gallons.

See why we should just go to the Metric System :)

nickspies said...

I think we worked it out.

I see your calculations are based on the conversion from U.K. gallons to U.S. gallons.

You may have missed my previous post where I state the 'pin' must just be used in the U.K. and Australia. So, I agree with you there.

So, what is the amount of hoppy brown ale that will be on tap at Lazlo's this Thursday? Is it 5.4 U.S. gallons?

CJ said...

You posted before I did...so you got it...a pin is a UK cask. Lazlos will have a pin on cask. That is because Rich Chapin ordered pin sized kegs to do cask events. He had them shipped in from a US retailer that supplies traditional British beer casks to the United States.

So, Lazlos will have 20.441 Liters of beer being served from a traditional British styled beer engine and it will be served at an approximate temperature of 55F (12.777 degress Celsius) ;) :)!

Ha ha...this has been a very geeky and funny exchange of posts!! :)

CJ said...


My post should read "pin sized casks"!!!

See how confusing the Imperial volume measurement is :)

nickspies said...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! Now it makes perfect sense.

He's using U.K. containers for the beer.

Anonymous said...

geez guys...a pin is more just used as slang for a tall skinny keg on this side of the pond at least...something around 5 gallons.

Kegs are often called barrels, but that doesn't mean they are a barrel!

Jimempyrean said...

The breakdown of cask sizes in US gallons is as follows:
Kilderkin = 21.6 gallons (18 imperial gallons)
Firkin = 10.8 gallons (9 imperial gallons)
Pin = 5.4 gallons (4.5 imperial gallons)

Most all Casks used in the US are of UK orgion and so the imperial gallon measurements listed by others here are correct.

Most people have only ever seen cask beer in a firkin and assume that is the size of all casks - much like most people assume a 15.5 gal keg is a barrel when in fact it is 1/2 barrel.

It is typical for us at Lazlo's Cask night to get roughly 75 pints from a firkin and around 37 from a pin - still more than I can drink in a day...

nickspies said...

Thanks for the info, Jim. For the record, the cask at the Omaha Lazlo's was killed before 9:00. Some of it was other patrons, but I would guess the majority was the group of us that came to support Chris's achievement.

I guess that was the first time a cask was killed the same night it was put on tap at the Omaha Lazlo's. That speaks volumes for Beer Quest and it's pull in Omaha. If the Empyrean/Lazlo's staff can let us know beforehand about these events, we can get the word out.